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thnx aco... but you already know my safety is inconsequential to the bigger picture

time to take a trip Aco?

Russia will start producing six submarines and one aircraft carrier annually starting in 2013,  – Deputy PM

Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said on Thursday.

“By 2013, production capacity [at Russian shipyards] will allow us to build six submarines and an aircraft carrier every year,” Rogozin told reporters, adding that the number includes both nuclear and diesel-powered submarines.

As a result, the production output will surpass that of the Soviet era when Russia built an average of five submarines annually, he said.

Rogozin earlier said the production had been bogged down in the past by a lack of financing, outdated equipment and a shortage of skilled labor.

Russia is planning to build eight Borey class strategic submarines and up to 10 Graney class attack subs by 2020.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20120202/171099357.html

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one interesting question here is if the lack of finance stopped the building of these ships in the past where is money coming from now when almost every country in the world is having debt and money problems?

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one interesting question here is if the lack of finance stopped the building of these ships in the past where is money coming from now when almost every country in the world is having debt and money problems?

i believe in this case, russia is printing rubbles backed by energy sales to china and europe amongst other places as well as arms sales, tech sales and other hard products and services

it is easy to back value on fiat money when you have hard production and services unlike the us where the value of the greenback is pretty much based on 2 things 1. financial instruments and games (ponzi schemes) and 2. the enforcement of purchase of oil and gold (and almost all international trade) in fed promissory notes (note how the word promissory contains the word Sorry)

having said all that, the illusion of value on all fiat currencies is eroding at a catalytic rate, hence the need to build weapons in the next historically reoccurring eventuality, namely war, in order to reset the system and start all over again

although i do believe this time will not be the same, an i think you know what i'm talking about N

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India may be drawn into 'limited war' with China

01 February 2012    

Noting that India's increasing concern about China's posture on its border, a top US intelligence official today said that the Indian Army is strengthening itself for a "limited conflict" with China.

"Despite public statements intended to downplay tensions between India and China, we judge that India is increasingly concerned about China's posture along their disputed border and Beijing's perceived aggressive posture in the Indian Ocean and Asia-Pacific region," director of national intelligence James Clapper said in his prepared testimony before the Senate Select Committee on intelligence.

"The Indian Army believes a major Sino-Indian conflict is not imminent, but the Indian military is strengthening its forces in preparation to fight a limited conflict along the disputed border, and is working to balance Chinese power projection in the Indian Ocean," a PTI report quoted him as saying.

Clapper said India has expressed support for a strong US military posture in East Asia and US engagement in Asia. He said China in 2011 appeared to temper the assertive behavior that characterised its foreign policy the year before, but the internal and external drivers of that behaviour persist.

"Moreover, although Chinese leaders have affirmed their commitment to a peaceful and pragmatic foreign policy - and especially to stable relations with China's neighbours and the rest of the world - Beijing may take actions contrary to that goal if it perceives that China's sovereignty or national security is being seriously challenged," he said.

Many of Beijing's military capability goals have now been realised, resulting in impressive military might.

Other goals remain longer term, but the Chinese army is receiving the funding and political support to transform it into a fully modern force, capable of sustained operations in Asia and beyond, he said.

http://www.domainb.com/defence/general/20120201_limited_war.html

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African Union embraces generous Chinese financing

Weakened by chronic infighting and the demise of its long-time financier Moammar Gadhafi, the African Union is turning instead to the embrace of its richest new ally: China.

Col. Gadhafi, had been the biggest donor to Africa’s political alliance for years. But at its latest summit this weekend, the AU made it clear that Beijing is its new Libya.

The 54-nation African organization is holding its summit in its gleaming new $200-million marble-and-glass headquarters, financed and built by the Chinese government on the site of a former maximum-security prison in Addis Ababa.

It’s the tallest building in the country, and all of it – even the furniture in its spectacular 2500-seat Grand Hall – was supplied by China as a gift to the world’s poorest continent.

The honoured guest and keynote speaker at the African summit is a senior Chinese official, Jia Qinglin, who announced on Sunday that China will provide $95-million in funds to the AU over the next three years – a huge boost to an organization whose annual budget is about $270-million.

“The people of China and Africa are good friends, good partners and good brothers,” Mr. Jia told the summit. “Our friendship is as solid as the towering Mount Kilimanjaro and as vibrant as the Yangtze River and the Yellow River.”

During the Gadhafi years, many African nations came to depend heavily on gifts and investments from Libya’s oil wealth. Libya provided 15 per cent of the AU’s membership revenue, and it paid the entire dues of many smaller and poorer African nations. It also spent billions of dollars on infrastructure programs and other investments across Africa to help cultivate support for Col. Gadhafi’s vision of a United States of Africa.

Now, however, that vision is dead, and Africa is turning instead to China. At the summit, African leaders were quick to praise China as a model for their continent.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/african-union-embraces-generous-chinese-financing/article2318897/?

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12 Chinese Maritime Developments to Look for in 2012

Sixty years ago, in the throes of the Korean War, Beijing could scarcely have been further from the water. Today, however, China’s shipyards are humming and the PLA Navy (PLAN) is sustaining operations half a world away in the Gulf of Aden.

Beginning with the major potential newsmakers, here are 12 key things to watch for and what they mean:

–A sharper than expected fall in economic expansion in 2012 would shed light on how China’s 5th-generation leadership might balance domestic concerns and defense modernization if China begins moving onto a slower economic growth path. Most analysts appear to be forecasting GDP growth of greater than 8% in 2012. If growth falls at the low end of the forecasted range, and especially if it comes in closer to the long-term official benchmark of 7% GDP growth, China’s new leaders might limit capital-intensive naval modernization that will not provide immediate capabilities to ensure funds for economic stimulus measures.

–Expect continued friction and possible skirmishes in the South China Sea, especially between Chinese and Vietnamese maritime forces. Beijing’s assertive approach regarding maritime issues in the South and East China Seas will likely generate additional friction with Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, and the Philippines. South Korea plans to begin using military special forces personnel armed with firearms on fishing enforcement missions. Serious confrontations involving Chinese fishermen are highly likely.

–The PLAN will likely take steps to sustain a longer-term presence in the Indian Ocean region. New Delhi will take notice. Sustained expeditionary military operations necessitate access to regional replenishment and repair facilities. The PLA’s Gulf of Aden deployment is allowing it to build relationships through port visits in places like Port Salalah in Oman that stand to help it gain more formal access to regional harbors and airfields, which can be used to provide logistical support for future missions. China is most likely to pursue a “places, not bases” approach, since large fixed bases on foreign soil might create major diplomatic and security challenges that would undermine Beijing’s ability to portray its behavior as being different from that of the U.S. Locations where the PLAN might seek additional logistical support and access that in the foreseeable future include Tanzania, Kenya, Madagascar, the Seychelles, Djibouti, Salalah (Oman), Karachi (Pakistan), Jeddah (Saudi Arabia), Chittagong (Bangladesh), Hambantota and Colombo (Sri Lanka), Mauritius (where Port Louis has sufficient draft to accommodate a large warship), Kyukaphu (Burma) and Singapore.

– PLAN ship construction will continue at a robust pace as yards build a wide array of modern warships including the Type 071 amphibious vessel and the new Type 56 corvette. Unlike the West, where procurement is suffering amidst defense budget cuts, Chinese military shipbuilding continues steadily. Evidence of China’s first indigenous carrier hull may emerge even as its first foreign-purchased hull, the ex-Varyag, begins rudimentary flight operations.

–2012 may bring China’s first lethal or casualty-generating engagement with pirates in the Gulf of Aden. Over the past three years, 10 PLAN task forces with 8,400 officers have performed 409 escort missions for 4,411 Chinese and foreign ships in and near the Gulf of Aden. The PLAN has also helped 48 vessels that had been attacked or released by pirates. While the PLAN has thus far not re-taken a hijacked vessel kinetically or inflicted casualties on pirates as the U.S., French or Indian navies have, it may end up trading fire with pirates in 2012 thanks to accidents or unforeseen contingencies.

– A second-ever PLAN-facilitated evacuation of Chinese citizens from an unstable coastal nation could well become necessary. Yemen and Syria loom large, with Sudan and Pakistan more remote possibilities. Following the overwhelming success of China’s first such effort in Libya last March (with token air force and naval support), Chinese at home and abroad have heightened expectations. Locals would do well to avoid harming Chinese in crisis zones.

– China may conduct its first naval humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operation. In 2010, Beijing sent helicopters to Pakistan to assist with flood relief. Its Type 071 amphibious warship and Peace Ark hospital ship might play even more useful roles if they could reach a crisis zone in time.

– China’s first real sea-based nuclear deterrent is approaching. China’s Jin-class ballistic missile submarines remain too noisy to patrol confident that they won’t be detected by other navies’ anti-submarine platforms. However, apparently successful tests of the JL-2 submarine launched ballistic missile in December 2011 suggest China’s seaborne nuclear deterrent program is making meaningful progress.

– China’s civil maritime forces will expand their capabilities and activities. China’s non-Navy maritime security services are likely to increasingly support the PLA Navy (PLAN) in 2012. This can help free up PLAN vessels for missions further afield. Key missions will likely include additional patrols and probing operations in disputed zones such as the East and South China Seas where using PLAN forces could risk escalating maritime conflicts more than using the Coast Guard forces would.  China’s dispatch of its largest patrol vessel, newly-commissioned Haijian 50, to contested parts of the East China Sea in December 2011 is a bellwether.

– China expects to begin drilling its first ultra-deepwater oil/gas well with a domestically-made drillship. Vietnam and the Philippines will likely be unsettled, despite the fact that the initial deepwater well will most likely be drilled in the northern South China Sea within the undisputed portion of China’s claimed EEZ.

– China’s seaborne crude-oil import dependency will rise further. Overland pipelines cannot offset growing demand and oil delivered by pipelines is in many instances less secure and more expensive than oil delivered by sea. High and rising dependence on seaborne natural resource imports will likely help PLAN strategists make a stronger case for building a blue water navy.

– Beijing will scrutinize American and European fiscal challenges and government spending and policy implications in search of opportunities. China will likely intensify its push to persuade the EU to lift its arms embargo, which was imposed in the wake of Tiananmen Square.

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2012/01/23/year-of-the-water-dragon-12-chinese-maritime-developments-to-look-for-in-2012/?mod=rss_asia_whats_news

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one interesting question here is if the lack of finance stopped the building of these ships in the past where is money coming from now when almost every country in the world is having debt and money problems?

Just know that when great world catastrophe strikes, economy will be reset.

It happened before and it will happen again, they're just thinking ahead.

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Footage of the wonderful and great work the UN, NATO and USA forces are doing in this world to protect civilians from their bad guy leaders. 

This should go viral. THE WHOLE WORLD, every single person should be made to watch this. If that didn’t wake everyone up then nothing will.  Sorry I dont know how to embed video's.

Yasmeen Ali: EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS RIGHT NOW!

Posted By: Steve [send E-Mail]

Date: Sunday, 5-Feb-2012 04:18:48

Uploaded by IAMHEMP420 on 10 Jan 2012

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS RIGHT NOW! 

Source RMN http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=229387

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Footage of the wonderful and great work the UN, NATO and USA forces are doing in this world to protect civilians from their bad guy leaders. 

This should go viral. THE WHOLE WORLD, every single person should be made to watch this. If that didn’t wake everyone up then nothing will.  Sorry I dont know how to embed video's.

Yasmeen Ali: EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS RIGHT NOW!

Posted By: Steve [send E-Mail]

Date: Sunday, 5-Feb-2012 04:18:48

Uploaded by IAMHEMP420 on 10 Jan 2012

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THIS RIGHT NOW! 

Source RMN http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=229387

Thanks Jessica, that was very insightful  8)

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did not know where to post this, the bezerk thread might be just as appropriate as these two threads are interlinked

The Royal Navy is sending a nuclear submarine to the Falkland Islands amid heightened tensions between Britain and Argentina over the disputed islands, it has been reported.

The Trafalgar class vessel, thought to be either HMS Tireless or HMS Turbulent, is believed to be being deployed to protect the islands from Argentine military action.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10076855

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Chinese charity - isn't that an oxymoron? Like Military Intelligence? Or Jumbo Shrimp? Or definite maybe?

LOL freecookies  ;D

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did not know where to post this, the bezerk thread might be just as appropriate as these two threads are interlinked

The Royal Navy is sending a nuclear submarine to the Falkland Islands amid heightened tensions between Britain and Argentina over the disputed islands, it has been reported.

The Trafalgar class vessel, thought to be either HMS Tireless or HMS Turbulent, is believed to be being deployed to protect the islands from Argentine military action.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/10076855

More than likely its not the HMS Turbulent because apparently it has been "taken"

From http://thechaniproject.com/forum/index.php/topic,2732.msg21674/topicseen.html#new

And more

http://johnkettler.com/etseds-disappear-b-57-doomsday-weapon.html/

ETS/EDs Raid Travis AFB & “Disappear” Another Pilotless B-57 Hustler “Doomsday Bomber”

ETs/EDs (extraterrestrials/extradimensionals)  have unexpectedly struck again, removing another converted B-57 Hustler, loaded with some 200 megatons of thermonuclear weapons, from its closely guarded underground hangar. This one was at Travis AFB (Air Force Base) in California and had been there for decades. Its disappearance has both perplexed officials and caused great consternation. Amazing how short memories are at the Pentagon, isn’t it? Why? The ETs/EDs took one from its subterranean lair at Ramstein AFB in Germany, a few weeks before Thanksgiving of 2011.  This latest strike was reported by top notch terestrial sources and gleefully confirmed by the ETS/EDs, whose comment was a terse: “We did it!”

ETs/EDs Raid–No Warning–Iran & North Korea Next?

The ETs/EDs have recently become aware of a very scary piece of weaponry which came from Russia and is almost certainly built using technology recovered from crashed/shot down UFOs. This is a NNEMP (nonnuclear electromagnetic pulse) weapon of such power that it could “fry” all unprotected power systems and electronics across the entire continental United States, given a high altitude, say 300 miles up, detonation. In a Russian test at much lower altitude (probably dropped from a jet bomber), it burned out generators 500 miles away. The ETs/EDs have for some time been retrieving downed/crashed craft and bodies belonging to various ETs/EDs and terrestrial craft using their technology, so the North Koreans and Iranians shouldn’t count on having this device much longer. Good thing, too, for it could kill modern U.S. society for months, completely unhinging the whole country. Think worst case Y2K; with all the generators and power stations burning! Fortunately, it’s so heavy the Russians planned to use an SS-18 Mod 6 to deliver this shattering blow. Unless there’s been some miniaturization breakthrough, it’s estimated something similar would still be needed, with a lift capacity of ~9.7 tons. Of course, a lower burst would still take out an entire megalopolis, and that could be done with an “airliner that isn’t.” The ETs/EDs want this awful thing gone–and soon.

ETs/EDs Solidly ID “Disappeared” NWO Sub & Uncover Clandestine Manufacture Of Nuclear Tomahawk Missiles?!

The ETs/EDs report the Trafalgar class submarine taken is S87, HMS Turbulent, and was carrying six TLAM-Ns (Tomahawk Land Attack Missile, Nuclear). Careful checking by highly cleared terrestrial sources has found that NO such weapons are missing. This raises the specter of off-the-books production of nuclear armed cruise missiles by the NWO (New World Order). Interrogation by the ETs/EDs of the German crew has established that a lot of training was quietly done on simulators and at sea under guise of NATO familiarization, but leaves unanswered the vexed reactor crew issue, as well as why Germans in the first place? Investigation continues.

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thnx 4 pointing that out rider,

this tired old mind cant keep up with all the snippets

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obama states on nbc interview that the us has been prepared from a while ago for military action against iran in case of that eventuality, and that he does not know who is really calling the shots in that country

couple that with (BREAKING):

Obama administration closes US embassy in Damascus, pulls American diplomats out of Syria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/national-security/obama-administration-closes-us-embassy-in-damascus-pulls-american-diplomats-out-of-syria/2012/02/06/gIQAZULutQ_story.html

statistically speaking the us closes its embassy just before a military strike against a country

rallying the religious (Damascus will burn) and the fools behind their own self accepted genocide, pulling the rest of the nations along for the upcoming planned nightmare of mankind

do not fear, it will not go down as 'they' planned it so many millenia ago

we will prevail

the human race will be rid of the cancer in its own body once and for all

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Pres TV reports on a Turk-US-Isreali plan to attack Syria

turkey is to invade syria and arm anti gov forces close to their mutual boarder, shortly after us-israeli forces will strike positions inside syria

military action is imminent

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Syrian Cham FM reports negotiations between turkey and syria for the release of 48 turkish agents from syrian captivity

meanwhile russian fm S. Lavrov gets a 'very' warm welcome in Damascus

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since the modify button has vanished ...

to clarify, Cham FM is a Syrian radio station

Hmmm... I can still it but maybe because I'm a mod?

rs

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Just joking of course.............BUT these idiots that want war are pushing it to this so don't forget the end result........... >:(

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Just joking of course.............BUT these idiots that want war are pushing it to this so don't forget the end result........... >:(

you 'might' be joking but some others are not

you know the same energy cannons are pointed outward too

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Obama says risky to attack Iran, wants diplomatic fix

From Sunday Feb 5, 2012

"WASHINGTON/TEHRAN (Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Sunday there were important risks to consider before any military strike against Iran and made clear he does not want to see more conflict in the oil-producing Gulf region.

In a television interview, Obama also said he did not believe Tehran had the "intentions or capabilities" to attack the United States, playing down the threats from Tehran and saying he wanted a diplomatic end to the nuclear standoff.

"Any kind of additional military activity inside the Gulf is disruptive and has a big effect on us. It could have a big effect on oil prices. We've still got troops in Afghanistan, which borders Iran. And so our preferred solution here is diplomatic," Obama said."

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He said Israel had not yet decided what to do in response to the escalating tension but was "rightly" concerned about Tehran's plans.<<<<<<<uh huh...

"My number one priority continues to be the security of the United States, but also the security of Israel, and we are going to make sure that we work in lockstep as we proceed to try to solve this, hopefully diplomatically" he told NBC.HOPEFULLY DIPLOMATICALLY<<<<<the get out of jail free card, those two words can be quite misleading....

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-risky-attack-iran-wants-diplomatic-fix-002001512.html

Well, gee whiz folks.....it seems to me that back in Jan/Feb of 2003...I was listening to GWB say the exact same thing...and look where that got us....then in MARCH.....we all know what happened...Even  though Saddam did everything in his power to avoid it...even allowing inspectors in...etc...DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION....UH HUH  YEP...THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE....NOT!!

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"My number one priority continues to be the security of the United States, but also the security of Israel"

So we now have it from the horses mouth who pulls the strings........  ;)

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